Welcome to "The Joe Rogan Experience," where today we are bringing history’s greatest thinkers to the table to argue the most pressing problem, sovereign power. Today, we have two intellectual titans: Thomas Hobbes and John Locke. These philosophers fundamentally disagreed on the nature of government and the extent of sovereign power. We will let them speak for themselves and see where their ideas clash.


Gentlemen, thank you for joining us. How about you introduce yourselves


Let’s begin with the foundation of your theories: the state of nature. Mr. Hobbes, what is your perspective?

That brings us to the justification for government. Mr. Hobbes, why must the sovereign hold unlimited power? 

See, this is what Im talking about, we have to minimize the threat of civil war, and the only way for this is a sovereign with unlimited power

Gentlemen, let’s find some common ground. Is there anything you agree on?


Before we conclude, Mr. Locke, if Hobbes' model is flawed, what is the alternative?


And Mr. Hobbes, what is your final argument?




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